this is not the first time i've written about this, but with the royal commission happening here in australia, and having fought against the wts on this problem of molestation in the wts over a period of 15 years i feel a need to explain what i found which contradicts what the wts says and the way they handle cases within their society.. i am not going to give the history of my involvement but just state simply why no-one can believe what the wts says ,and we all know the scriptures they use to not handle cases of molestation properly , so here goes , it's not tricky or hard to understand i think, but just use the bible against them (hope this is used at the commission).. i,m using the revised berkely version in plain english here ,.
the context is law giving in the book of deuteronomy ch 22 : vs 22 - 27. vs 22 "when a man is surprised abed with a married woman,they shall both die ,the man who lay with the woman and the woman too; you shall wipe out the evil from israel.".
so this is easy to grasp ,man sleeps with married woman ,judged to die -they got caught.. next vs 23- 24 "when a man comes upon a girl in the city, who is a virgin betrothed to another , and he lies with her,24 you shall bring them both to the gate of the city and stone them to death, the girl because she did not cry out, although the city was all about her, and the man because he violated his neighbour's wife.
WOZZA I emailed your workmanship to Martin McKenzie-Murry asking him if it was possible to foward it to a Commission attorney on the outside chance your line of reasoning could be presented to a elder in the proceedings.
As my custom just like Martin Luther I taped the "Saturday Paper" article to the 5 Kingdom Halls in Redding Calif.and included your workmanship.
Deut.22: 25-27 is one of the coolest pieces of work I have read. Thank you.
i have a lady at the bank, who was in the "peace core" in australia with a aussi husband.
i asked her about the royal commission to which she said;.
" the royal commission is the queen!
i have a lady at the bank, who was in the "peace core" in australia with a aussi husband.
i asked her about the royal commission to which she said;.
" the royal commission is the queen!
I have a lady at the bank, who was in the "Peace Core" in Australia with a Aussi husband. I asked her about the Royal Commission to which she said;
" the Royal Commission is the Queen! It has the power to remove the entire Austrailian government of which she did [I think she said in 1972].
She told me this "Royal Commission" was actually started 15 years ago but had its roots in WW2. During the bombing of England the church's took in the displaced children, of which they shipped off 50 thousand to Australia for child labor. The church's told the orphans that their parents were killed during the Blitz, they told the parents that the children were killed in the Blitz. The Queen of England formed this Commission in order to try to unite these famlies even after all these years. Evidently the Catholics were one of the biggest offenders in shipping off ot these so called 'orphans' to Australia. So what was started to reunite famlies has become a evolving continous thread where the Queen is dealing with abuse of children at the hands of religion.
She said we in the USA have no idea just how big a Royal Commission can be.
Bill
this is not the first time i've written about this, but with the royal commission happening here in australia, and having fought against the wts on this problem of molestation in the wts over a period of 15 years i feel a need to explain what i found which contradicts what the wts says and the way they handle cases within their society.. i am not going to give the history of my involvement but just state simply why no-one can believe what the wts says ,and we all know the scriptures they use to not handle cases of molestation properly , so here goes , it's not tricky or hard to understand i think, but just use the bible against them (hope this is used at the commission).. i,m using the revised berkely version in plain english here ,.
the context is law giving in the book of deuteronomy ch 22 : vs 22 - 27. vs 22 "when a man is surprised abed with a married woman,they shall both die ,the man who lay with the woman and the woman too; you shall wipe out the evil from israel.".
so this is easy to grasp ,man sleeps with married woman ,judged to die -they got caught.. next vs 23- 24 "when a man comes upon a girl in the city, who is a virgin betrothed to another , and he lies with her,24 you shall bring them both to the gate of the city and stone them to death, the girl because she did not cry out, although the city was all about her, and the man because he violated his neighbour's wife.
a poster on another thread reminded me of when there was a 15 min.
break between the talk and the wt study on sundays.
the break was supposed to be to allow jw's time to drive their bible studys home from the talk.
im going by memory, so not an exact quote...i believe this was around 2002, at the crownsville assembly hall (now sold from what i understand)..
he said basically: some people watch an hour show and give up the faith that theyve had for decades..
the impact of this show was like a canon being shot into a swimming pool.
this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.
lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.
so who is lorenz reibling?
Yes OrphanCrow that is what I rember as to the 200 complaints from State of Calif. Consumers Affairs, unnecessary suguries.
That JW Insurance Co I think was called "New World Life" or something like that, in-laws had it.
Interesting I have a friend who was raised a JW but realized it was not for him, he is a ER doctor. He said all ER Rooms have the JW Blood book but not for the purpose of educating the doctors but to educate the JW patients as to their own churchs list to what is acceptable blood parts. Prior to the book the JW patients were ignorant of what was approved and what was not, hence the whole ER Room procedure was halted and precious time was lost as the patient had to go and consult their church elders. So the book has been well received as to its ability to stop vast amounts of time being tied up from getting elders permission for ER procedures.
this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.
lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.
so who is lorenz reibling?
Ron Lapin came to Redding Ca. in the late 1970's selling his services. One of the sisters got suspicious and contacted the state of Calif. Consumer Affairs of which they sent her a list of [I think] around 200 complaints. Another brother up from So Cal said Lapin removed his sisters uterus with out her knowledge and that he did it to other women in So. Cal.
OrphanCrow I am very impressed with your work. If you can connect Lorenz Reibling as being the front man for the WBTS real estate investments that are being funded by the liquidation of Brooklyn bulidings that would be a real story.
"hot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.
but it's all quiet here.
are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?".
this was going through my mind last night.. reviewing 2 key scriptures - james 1:27 - orphans and widows.
and micah 6:8 - what is god asking back?.
so, i start looking for this verse on www.biblehub.com, but every translation says "requires.".
I am of the same opinion as you that Micah 6:8 and James 1:27 are two of the most powerful verses which define the nature of true worship. They are major reasons as to why my sentiments are with aligned those using this site.
My 5 sons refer to Micah 6:8 as Dad's two hour sermons of 20+ years ago where I tried to get them to see the point of the church's new thinking on 'types and antitypes' that Fred Franz was basicly full of shit.
The 'Bible Hub' is a very good site. I have been using it to help a researcher understand the major change in the new RNWT on Lev.5:1. Hopefully that project will be completed here shortly. I have a 25 year letter writing campaign that was refered to in the 2013 summer talk "Human Apostates" that hinges on this new rendering in the RNWT.
When ever someone like you uses Micah and James there is a feeling that goes through me of a kindred spirit. Personally I feel those who have great respect of those two verses sit at the same table in the realm of WBTS opposition folks.
Shalom Bill
